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'Uprising' begins to overturn smoking ban'
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | 4/21/04 | Dean Mosiman

Posted on 04/22/2004 8:16:09 AM PDT by SheLion

A lot of Madison bar owners want to overturn a new smoking ban in taverns, restaurants and nearly all workplaces that starts in July 2005. 

"There's an uprising. That's what I'm feeling out there," said Scott Stenger, spokesman for the Wisconsin Tavern League. 

The City Council approved the sweeping ban by a 15-5 vote at about 1 a.m. Wednesday after four hours of public testimony from more than 50 speakers and council debate on a series of proposed exemptions that were rejected. 

The Tavern League now intends to create a handout bar owners can give to patrons, identifying the council members who voted for the ban and how to contact them, Stenger said. The organization will work to modify the ban and to oust members who supported it, he said. 

New City Council President Brenda Konkel said she welcomes the Tavern League's challenge and further discussion but believes most people support the ban. 

"Seventy percent of people in the city of Madison don't smoke, and the City Council was just representing what many of our constituents want," she said. 

Konkel also said she doesn't think the council would be open to modifying the ban. 

"Many of us are happy to put this to rest and move on to other issues," Konkel said. 

Smoke-free supporters were well organized, unraveling a compromise ban passed 16 months ago that didn't affect bars, Stenger said. 

"We're partly to blame for this," he said. "I don't think we're going to let it happen again." 

The city joins New York City, California and at least four other states and more than 70 municipalities in the nation with sweeping smoking rules. 

The ban exempts private clubs; retail tobacco stores; up to 25 percent of rooms in bed and breakfasts, motels and hotels; and until Jan. 2, 2006, existing separately ventilated smoking rooms. 

The council rejected amendments that would have allowed smoking in bars after 10 p.m., tobacco bars, and bars with more than 75 percent alcohol sales.Ald. Mike Verveer, the former council president who represents the Downtown entertainment district and who tried unsuccessfully to add exemptions to the ban, said it will bring "tremendous unintended consequences," especially when smokers leave crowded bars to smoke, then try to get back inside. 

He said he feels sorry for Downtown bar owners and staff who will have to enforce the ban. 

Others, meanwhile, are concerned about other problems, such as cigarette butts - once left inside bars, instead being dropped on the sidewalk and running into the city's lakes. 

Reporter Beth Williams contributed to this story. Contact Dean Mosiman at dmosiman@madison.com or 252-6141


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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"There's an uprising. That's what I'm feeling out there,"
1 posted on 04/22/2004 8:16:11 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; ...

2 posted on 04/22/2004 8:17:25 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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FYI - The KY supreme court just upheld the Lexington smoking ban today. Vote of 6-1. This is pretty big considering KY and Lexington are so big into tobacco.
3 posted on 04/22/2004 8:20:04 AM PDT by gswilder
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To: SheLion
They can take your smokes but they can never take your freedom.
4 posted on 04/22/2004 8:20:45 AM PDT by Duke Nukum ([T]he only true mystery is that our very lives are governed by dead people.)
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To: SheLion
Dammit...we are being overrun by Big Brotherism.

Same crap here in Burlington, Vermont.

I quit smoking 10 years ago and always get a smile when I see cartons of cigs are now almost $40 when I remember getting a carton of Luckies and Pall Malls for $1 each on Okinawa in the 50s.

But if a joint gets too smoky for me I go somewhere else!

"joint" meaning bar-restaraunt, of course!

5 posted on 04/22/2004 8:22:03 AM PDT by JimVT
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To: SheLion
Light bulb 'OFF'.

Light bulb 'ON'.

Hmmm . . . seems social engineering IS a failure.
6 posted on 04/22/2004 8:23:35 AM PDT by BluSky (“Don’t make me come down there.”)
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To: SheLion
This raises an interesting issue.

Typically, the special-interest group is well-organized, and the opposition diffuse.

Now what will happen if both the pro-smoking and anti-smoking groups are well organized?
7 posted on 04/22/2004 8:23:50 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: JimVT
I quit smoking 10 years ago and always get a smile when I see cartons of cigs are now almost $40 when I remember getting a carton of Luckies and Pall Malls for $1 each on Okinawa in the 50s.

Three years ago, when Maine raised taxes on cigarettes, making my premiums $45-$50 a carton, I threw my hands in the air and said that's it. I was told by friends in Free Republic about rolling my owns.

So for over three years, I have been rolling my own for under $8 dollars a carton and I am no longer paying into the state coffers. I wish everyone would learn about this.

Let the Hogs at the State House go elsewhere to support their little pet programs. They make me sick!


8 posted on 04/22/2004 8:25:32 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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"Seventy percent of people in the city of Madison don't smoke, and the City Council was just representing what many of our constituents want," she said.

By this logic, will they soon outlaw homosexuality and begin instituting public prayer in their schools?
9 posted on 04/22/2004 8:26:19 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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believes most people support the ban. "Seventy percent of people in the city of Madison don't smoke

I'm a nonsmoker who thinks government has no business telling people what they may allow on their own property (so long as it stays confined to their property, as tobacco smoke in any significant concentration does).

10 posted on 04/22/2004 8:27:02 AM PDT by The kings dead
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To: JimVT
Ayup. Only one bar/restaraunt here in Montpelier has smoking and the anti's want to ban that.
11 posted on 04/22/2004 8:28:59 AM PDT by TigersEye (One nation under God ... or war!)
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To: JimVT
But if a joint gets too smoky for me I go somewhere else!

"joint" meaning bar-restaraunt, of course!

Well duh, otherwise you want those joints to be as smokey as possible :-O

12 posted on 04/22/2004 8:34:21 AM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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Others, meanwhile, are concerned about other problems, such as cigarette butts - once left inside bars, instead being dropped on the sidewalk and running into the city's lakes.

Polluting the air wasn't good enough for mindless smokers, now you're gonna pollute the drinking water with your cigarette butts.

Do you smokers also throw your trash out the windows?

13 posted on 04/22/2004 8:34:34 AM PDT by lewislynn (Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
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To: The kings dead
I'm a nonsmoker who thinks government has no business telling people what they may allow on their own property (so long as it stays confined to their property, as tobacco smoke in any significant concentration does).

Let the business owner and his patrons decide. NOT the state. These business's are not state owned. Yet they think they can just go in and "rule the roost!"

14 posted on 04/22/2004 8:36:40 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: lewislynn
Do you smokers also throw your trash out the windows?

Not NEAR as much as you throw trash out of your MOUTH!

15 posted on 04/22/2004 8:37:38 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
It is through intimidation of a few that they steal power. Here is an old idea but a good one; civil disobedience. If all the tavern and bar owners got together and simply ignored the law, there is literally nothing they could do about it.
16 posted on 04/22/2004 8:38:02 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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Others, meanwhile, are concerned about other problems, such as cigarette butts - once left inside bars, instead being dropped on the sidewalk and running into the city's lakes.

Simple sollution.................since the city is banning the smoking indoors, the city should be providing receptacles for the cigarette butts, thus solving the problem. But of course that will never be done, as it is too logical.

And so owners and staff now have to act as city enforcement agents, they also have to serve as the city sanitation department.

17 posted on 04/22/2004 8:39:34 AM PDT by Gabz (Stress out Streisand.............................DONATE MONTHLY)
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To: lewislynn
Stick a sock in it.
18 posted on 04/22/2004 8:42:29 AM PDT by Gabz (Stress out Streisand.............................DONATE MONTHLY)
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To: lewislynn
"Do you smokers also throw your trash out the windows?"

Not yet, but if it aggravates non smokers I will start.

19 posted on 04/22/2004 8:50:54 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: lewislynn
... now you're gonna pollute the drinking water with your cigarette butts.

I do have compassion for those of you who drink from gutters, I really do, but
how does a pinch of plant leaf and a smidgeon of paper (made from trees) pollute the water?

20 posted on 04/22/2004 8:53:35 AM PDT by TigersEye (One nation under God ... or war!)
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